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Kr-85 Spectrum from Vacuum Tube

Post by sgt_bear » 14 Feb 2018, 07:37

One of my other hobbies (vintage electronics) brought me to a online vacuum stube store, where i spotted tubes with radiation warnings.

So i purchased all of the Western Electric 427A tubes. A quick search brought up that these tubes had 4uCi of the Kr-85 in them (manufactured August/1966).
Kr-85 is a rather "uncommon" isotope along hobby spectroscopers ;)

Kr-85 is a radioactive gas with a half-life of 10.7year, leaving me with around 0.1uCi of Kr-85 left.
Kr-85 emits 251kev Betas with 99.5% intensity and also emits some gammas, the only engery thats notable is 513kev@0.4%
So out of the 3.7k disintegrations/s only around 15 are the gammas @ 513keV

The tube boxes warn about radiation of Kr-85 but don't indicate a activity
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Three pieces on a Ludlum 44-9 pancake tube give around 200cpm
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I used three pieces to make a 60min spectrum run. (Theoretically 45 gammas/s @513kev)
Below you can find the spectrum with subtracted background and the spectrum in relation to background (grey). The FWHM with subtracted background is around 12%

The high peaks in the 0-200kev range are most likely emission artifacts of the beta radiation



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If someone wants to grab its own sample of Kr-85 search ebay for 427A tube, but be sure to ask the seller if the package has the warning sign. I'm not sure if later date code models used the isotope too, because there are alot of these tubes around that don't have the warning on the box!
- Jonathan from Switzerland

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Re: Kr-85 Spectrum from Vacuum Tube

Post by lodovico » 14 Feb 2018, 21:28

Hello,
I have a "Krypton" tube too !
Here you can find the spectrum with a small "bump" around 514 KeV
http://physicsopenlab.org/2016/06/03/ra ... ron-tubes/
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Re: Kr-85 Spectrum from Vacuum Tube

Post by Svilen » 20 Oct 2019, 07:10

My result from the same source - 3 Western Electric 427A tubes, really nicely detectable Kr-85. Nothing new here, but sometimes to show that an experiment is reproducible could also be important :)
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Re: Kr-85 Spectrum from Vacuum Tube

Post by Go-Figure » 20 Oct 2019, 20:46

Thank You Jonathan, I'll be after this tube before too long!

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Re: Kr-85 Spectrum from Vacuum Tube

Post by Peter-1 » 24 Oct 2019, 19:08

Hi Jonathan,
I have such a tube and also come to a nice spectrum. The measuring time was 6 hours.
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