Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

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Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by Go-Figure » 17 Feb 2020, 02:09

Hello there,
This post is about what’s been my longest experiment so far.
I’ve been trying to extract a nice spectrum from Trinitite for a while now, I got better overtime but my past attempts left me pretty unsatisfied. Cs137 and Am241 were always easy to spot, but I never found anything more than a hint of Eu152, so I got myself a couple more sample and gave it another go.
This time my supplier was Mineralogical Research Company (http://www.minresco.com/).
They have a number of Trinitite samples for sale and other very interesting radioactive minerals. As for the Trinitite they have “ordinary” specimens, but what caught my attention was what they call “Type 5” ones, which are from a single collector and apparently come from pretty close to the blast, where the neutron flux was more intense. Activation by neutron capture was the process from which Eu152 (and Eu154) originated, therefore Europium abundance in the Type 5 samples is supposed to be higher than in “ordinary” samples.
The problem with Trinitite is that you can only judge the samples you pick by their appearance. This time I asked the seller to test the specimens with a Geiger counter so I could at least have an idea of the samples’ activity, but I know by now this test can be highly misleading since what a Geiger counter gets is mostly betas (and alphas), besides there’s no way to know what radionuclide those counts come from without a spectrometer.
So in the end I got myself the sample with the highest count-rate (an ordinary “Type 1”) and the most active “Type 5”.
I tested them both, in this first post I present the result from the “Type 5”, the one with the less counts but also with the richer spectrum.
So here it is. As usual it’s glassy on one side and pretty sandy on the other one. The weight is 5,90 grams.
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The glassy side is always the more active, this time it gave me some 1200 CPM, according to my estimate no more than 2-3 of them were from gammas.
The sandy side gave me a little more than 200 CPM.
My ordinary background is in the region of 55 CPM.
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When I received the specimens my 2’’x2’’ GS was busy with other samples so I made a preliminary spectrum with the PDS. The real goal wasn’t really the spectrum itself, samples are pretty weak compared with background, so every unshielded spectrum without background subtraction was always going to be of little significance (see below, only the Cs137 peak stands out in LOG view), what I wanted was getting a sense of the counts from gammas only. Over two measurements, each three hours long, I got 53.98 CPS from the Type 5 and 55.43 CPS from the Type 1, which again resulted the hotter of the two (my normal background measured with the PDS is 50-52 CPS).
The 2’’x2’’ NaI(Tl) typically gives me roughly five times as many counts as the PDS so I projected those figures to result in a 7-8 CPS difference between the two samples, which in the end resulted pretty accurate.
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07 - Trinitite Type 5 - 10802 Secs - LOG - 18-01-20.png
And then it was time to get to serious business. As usual I first recorded a 24 hours background. My shielding was basically the same as I my last experiments, 5 mm of plastic, 1 mm of copper, 4 mm of pewter and 13-15 mm of lead. I took advantage of the lead foils used by Mineresco to wrap the Trinitite samples to improve the shield’s weakest part, which is the “wall” at the end of the room. It’s still pretty thin (just 1-2 mm) but at least it now covers the whole cross section.
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The slight improvement showed in the result, my shielded background for this test was 61 CPS (my unshielded background with this probe is 255 CPS, and the best I could manage before this test was reducing it to 64 CPS).
11 - Background - 72 Hours - Counts x Bin - Shield V2-1 - 0.036 Gauss - 24_25-01-20 - 8_10-02-20.png
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When I finally got to test the sample it didn’t take long to realize it was pretty much unlike any other Trinitite specimens I tested before. Counts were not high (8 CPS) but the variety of peaks was finally what I was looking for from my very first attempt months ago.
I decided early on that this was going to be at least a 5 days measurement, but in the end I extended it to 14 days in order to make the spectrum look smooth enough (with this level of activity you record little more than 700,000 counts per day from the sample, and we know you need several million counts to have a smooth results).

Of course as the accumulation time got longer every further day of accumulation added less and less improvement and after two weeks I decided there was little point in keep on going, by that time the background+sample spectrum had reached 84 million counts with 10 millions of them coming from the sample.
Still I was entirely happy with the result and I figured out the problem was that my initial background wasn’t smooth enough. In terms of counts my 24 hours shielded background was the equivalent of a 6 hours unshielded one, not much.
The sample's spectrum is the difference between two spectra, every “asperity” in one of the two will show in the difference, and when the difference is small compared with the two spectra you start with, those asperities will be magnified in the final result, while if the difference is “big” (as it’s the case with a very active sample) they will practically disappear.
So, once my two weeks measurement with the sample were over I decided to add another day to my background. That also looked like a good choice methodologically, because the two spectra I was going to subtract from each other would then had the same “temporal center”. In the end I decided to add 48 hours instead of 24 so the two temporal centers don’t coincide anymore, but they are still closer than they were originally going to be.
Making the background measurement even longer would have certainly brought further improvement and in the end I could have done that, but you have to stop somewhere, the whole experiment lasted 17 days.
So here’s the result, both in linear and logarithmic view.
12 - Trinitite T5@Contact - ID - 336 Hours - BG Subtraction - Counts x Bin - Shield V2-1 - 0.036 Clean - 25-01_08-02 - 20.png
13 - Trinitite T5@Contact - ID - 336 Hours - BG Subtraction - Energy x Bin - Shield V2-1 - 0.036 Clean - 25-01_08-02 - 20.png
If in the past my problem with Trinitite was finding possible peaks where none was clearly showing, this time I ended up with more peaks than I was prepared to, so let’s see them:

Cs137 is expected: fission product, long half-life time (30 years), it’s always easy to spot.

Am241 is expected too. The “gadget” used Plutonium (Pu239) as a fuel and only part of it fissioned. The rest was bombarded with neutrons and some of it underwent double neutron capture becoming Pu241 which then beta-decayed to Am241. It’s half-life of 433 years means it’s still very present and easy to see.

Eu152 is much more of a challenge. I only got a hint of its presence in previous samples. It comes from activation by neutrons of stable Eu151, naturally occurring in Trinity’s desert sand. Its abundance seems to be heavily dependent on the proximity of the sample to the center of the blast (which in turns influenced the intensity of the neutron flux). This time the peak at 121 keV is very strong and unmistakable and other peaks at higher energy are visible as well. The ones at 244 keV and 344 keV are possibly mixed up with Pb212 and Pb214, but I learned from previous samples that when Eu152 is weak those peaks barely show so I must assume their contribution here is very small. I didn’t put them in the labels.
The Eu152 peak at 1408 keV doesn’t seem to be visible. It’s there, albeit very weak, subtracting my first day background only, but disappears when you subtract the whole three days background, leaving what appears to be a solitary K40 peak

Eu154 is supposed to be there as well, coming from the activation of Eu153 (same process as above), but it’s signature peak at 123 keV tends to be mixed up with that of Eu152 at 121 keV so its inclusion in the peak’s label has no direct evidence for it. It’s certainly there but how big or small its contribution is I can’t tell, only a HPGe detector could tell us. Anyway, it’s shorter half-life time (8.8 years versus 13.3 of Eu152) provides an indication that its residual activity must be a lot lower than that of Eu152.

Samarium. I wasn’t prepared to deal with it, but when there’s Europium 152 there’s Samarium as well. I’ve got a pretty strong peak at 40 keV, pretty close to that from Am241 and Cs137 in that same region and I could only explain it as a product of X-Rays from Samarium which is linked to the presence of Eu152 (“Practical Gamma Spectrometry” by Gordon Gilmore, Appendix C, page 359).

Also in that region there could be a weak gamma peak from Pu239. As above for Eu154 I have no direct evidence of its presence, but a few measurements with HPGe detectors accessible online found it in Trinitite samples, since only part of the Pu239 used as fuel actually underwent fission. Its contribution to the peak must be very small so I wasn’t sure it was worth adding it to the label, but we know it’s there and it’s half-life of 24000 years means whatever its original activity was, it stayed pretty much the same 75 years later.

Ba133. I didn’t see this coming. When a 80 keV peak started to form I didn’t know what to make of it. I first considered the most uninteresting and conventional options: an X-Rays peak from naturally occurring Pb212 or Pb214? It’s possible, but I tested several Trinitite samples already and that peak never showed before. An X-Rays fluorescence peak from the shielding? Again, not likely, XRF is kept pretty low by the pewter in the shielding and experience tells me it doesn’t leave a visible mark on the final spectrum once the background is subtracted.
In the end Barium 133 seemed to be the most likely option. The bomb had an explosive lens system containing Baratol, which in turn contained stable Ba132. Activation due to neutron capture created Ba133, visible in other Trinitite spectra.
Ba133 has another strong peak at 356 keV and that appeared to be a good explanation to the fact that the 344 keV peak from Eu152 looked a bit wide as if there was something else to the right.

I also have a very low energy peak at 12-15 keV. That’s likely an L-shell X-rays from Uranium.

Lastly there’s a hint of another peak which I left unlabeled. Right beside the 80 keV peak which I attributed to Ba133 there’s something else which seems to be centered around 85-86 keV. The only potential explanation I found for it so far are Eu155 and Np237 but neither of them seems convincing.
Eu155 has an half-life of just 4.76 years, it halved almost 16 times since 1945, I find hard to believe there’s still enough of it to produce something that I can clearly detect.
Np237 is the decay product of Am241, but the latter has an half-life of 432 years, so again I am not sure there’s enough of it for me to clearly detect it.
X-rays from naturally occurring Lead was another option, but, again, it never showed before.
So in the end I left that peak unlabeled.

I have some degree of uncertainty on some of the “calls” above, but it should be mostly right I think.

And finally the quantitative analysis.
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There will be more to come on this long Trinitite experiment in the next few days. For now let me just add this has been the most fun I had so far with a spectrometer.

Until next time.

Massimo
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Re: Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by iRad » 17 Feb 2020, 04:31

Massimo - Great work, thanks for sharing.
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Re: Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by Svilen » 19 Feb 2020, 02:25

Patience and data analysis that deserve to be noted. Thanks for sharing this work.
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Re: Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by cicastol » 19 Feb 2020, 09:18

Hi Massimo, WOW 17 days integration time ?!!? crazy !!
Great ,really, in the nearest future i will try to take longer integration time with my Trinitite sample, also mine has very low activity...
Try to get a better shield ,even with the slight improvement in lowered background, IMHO is not yet up to the job with such weak samples.
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Post by Sparky » 21 Feb 2020, 08:08

Massimo,
Beautifully done Spectrum and analysis. I’d love to try this with my gear, but I don’t think I would have the required thermal stability for such a long period. I may try anyway.

Also, thanks for the reference to the Gordon Gilmore Appendix C. I was not aware of it. GG does not explain the linkage between these isotopes and these x-rays. I am thinking they are caused by betas leaving the parent nucleus during decay and exciting the now child’s (a very young child!) electron shells. Is this the mechanism?

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Re: Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by Go-Figure » 23 Feb 2020, 10:20

Thanks guys.
As for the Samarium, the x-rays peaks from Sm are also listed among those expected from Eu152 by Nuclear Data http://nucleardata.nuclear.lu.se/toi/nu ... iZA=630152.
I could have looked there (which I actually did, but I missed that bit) and save myself quite a bit of time.
As for the mechanism, I don't have it figured out yet. Eu152 decays to Sm152 via electron capture or, more rarely, by emission of a positron, but Sm152 is stable.

@Cicastol: Yes, my shielding still needs improvement. It’s still basically the same it was back in October, although with a few slight improvements allowing me to lower the counts from nearly 70 CPS to 61 CPS.

Talking about the shielded background, as I mentioned above I originally planned to record a 24 hour background first, then focus on the sample, and then subtracting the first from the second.
Almost every evening during the 14 days accumulation time I spent some time in front of the PC trying to figure out what I was looking at. As time went on the improvement in the clarity and smoothness of the difference spectrum for every further day of accumulation got smaller and smaller obviously.
It proved far more effective accumulating more data in the background spectrum that was later subtracted. I initially thought 24 hours was going to be enough, but a shielded background accumulates data slower than normal (about four time slower in my case) so even after 24 hours the result isn’t really smooth. That’s not a problem if you are testing a sample which gives you a lot more counts than the background, but that wasn’t the case here.
You can check the improvement below extending the accumulation time of the later subtracted background from 24 hours to 48 and then to 72.
Trinitite T5@Contact - 336 Hours - 24 Hours BG Subtraction Text - Counts x Bin - Shield V2-1 - 0.036 Gauss - 25-01_08-02 - 20.png
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Trinitite T5@Contact - 336 Hours - 48 Hours BG Subtraction Text - Counts x Bin - Shield V2-1 - 0.036 Gauss - 25-01_09-02 - 20.png
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Trinitite T5@Contact - 336 Hours - 72 Hours BG Subtraction Text - Counts x Bin - Shield V2-1 - 0.036 Gauss - 25-01_10-02 - 20.png
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If I had to do that again (and who knows, maybe I will) I would do a 3 days background first, then a 10-12 days measurement with the sample, and then I would add another 3 days background.

Interestingly, adding more background erased what looked like a weak Eu152 peak at 1408 keV turning it into an even weaker K40 peak. That wasn’t expected, but already in the past testing other Trinitite samples I had that peak coming and going and it wasn’t never really clear to me if it was a genuine Eu152 or not. I think I can now say it probably wasn’t.

I post below a gif where you can see the three images above in sequence, so the changes are easier to spot. Just click on it to start the "animation".
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Re: Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by cicastol » 25 Feb 2020, 01:44

Ideally the BG integration time should be the same of data collection, it is like a dark frame subtraction in astrophotography , yes 17 days data plus 17 days BG is a little boring !

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Re: Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by Go-Figure » 01 Mar 2020, 09:26

Yeah, maybe one day I will.
Right now I am planning to repeat the measurement with 3 days of background + 10-12 days measuring the sample + 3 more days od background.

I just finished testing a sample if Davidite, results next weekend.
Right now I post the results of the other Trinitite sample I got from Mineralogical Research Company. According to their classification this a "Type 1".
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The sample was almost twice as hot as the other one in terms of counts but as you can see the spectrum is not nearly as interesting.
The only thing I have to add as far as the peaks are concerned is about the infamous 1408 keV Eu152 peak. What you see here pretty much looks like that, but for the reasons mentioned above I didn't label it here, not yeat at least. The repeat of the test on the Type 5 sample hopefully will settle the matter.
Trinitite T1@Contact - ID - 120 Hours - 24 Hour BG Subtraction - Counts x Bin - Shield V2-1 - 0.036 Clean - 18_23-01-20.png
Trinitite T1@Contact - ID - 120 Hours - 24 Hour BG Subtraction - Energy x Bin - Shield V2-1 - 0.036 Clean - 18_23-01-20.png
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Re: Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by cicastol » 29 Mar 2020, 00:19

Go-Figure wrote:
17 Feb 2020, 02:09

Ba133. I didn’t see this coming. When a 80 keV peak started to form I didn’t know what to make of it. I first considered the most uninteresting and conventional options: an X-Rays peak from naturally occurring Pb212 or Pb214? It’s possible, but I tested several Trinitite samples already and that peak never showed before. An X-Rays fluorescence peak from the shielding?
Hi Massimo that peak is the normal Pb XRF from shielding, very unlikely from 133ba, imho not at all, BG subratction doesen't take care of the added XRF generated by the sample, 661keV of Cs137 easily escape the inner shield and "illuminate" the Pb .
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Re: Trinitite – The Quest for Europium and More: A 17 Day Gamma Spectrum

Post by Go-Figure » 29 Mar 2020, 03:58

cicastol wrote:
29 Mar 2020, 00:19
Go-Figure wrote:
17 Feb 2020, 02:09

Ba133. I didn’t see this coming. When a 80 keV peak started to form I didn’t know what to make of it. I first considered the most uninteresting and conventional options: an X-Rays peak from naturally occurring Pb212 or Pb214? It’s possible, but I tested several Trinitite samples already and that peak never showed before. An X-Rays fluorescence peak from the shielding?
Hi Massimo that peak is the normal Pb XRF from shielding, very unlikely from 133ba, imho not at all, BG subratction doesen't take care of the added XRF generated by the sample, 661keV of Cs137 easily escape the inner shield and "illuminate" the Pb .
That's a possibility I considered as mentioned in the post, but it would be the first time such a peak would show with such strength after a background subtraction in my experience and I have tested several Trinitite samples now.
If you look at the spectrum of the other trinitite sample in this very thread you will see that peak is not there despite the sample being hotter (twice the cps) and having a more prominent Cs137 peak.
What I mean is that there can be some Pb212 and Pb214m and also some XRF, but those alone cannot explain that strong peak in my experience.
So I thought a lot about it and I also looked for other trinitite spectra for "inspiration", this one in particular caught my attention https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ea58/a ... 1585414065
In the end adding that label seemed the best option.

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